tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post2326181097520267812..comments2023-05-29T07:28:09.906-07:00Comments on Chironomo's Podium: Beating that Horse a Little More...Chironomohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13024533507945352862noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-7143617903478800792008-08-11T23:44:00.000-07:002008-08-11T23:44:00.000-07:00Thank you, Grapevine. I'm all for charity, much le...Thank you, Grapevine. I'm all for charity, much less civility.Mr. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09649237173680633611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-8261291889778108242008-08-11T17:08:00.000-07:002008-08-11T17:08:00.000-07:00You're perfectly welcome to quote from the article...You're perfectly welcome to quote from the article as long as the conversation is civil and constructive. I don't want my article to be used in any way to attack Mr. Schutte. I'm not saying that your blog is necessarily this way, but I've seen too many blogs on this subject that are downright vitriolic. I would hate to think that my article would in any way add to that kind of discussion.<BR/><BR/>There were some comments on my blog about this article that were excellent. They reflected the point of view you reflect, and were very respectful. I learned a lot from them and I hope the person who wrote them will write some more. If you want to see what we were talking about, check out the comments section of the article. Maybe you can even continue that discussion over here because I did have some questions I'd love to have answered.GrapeVinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06452329497739508541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-56884867098567379272008-08-11T16:40:00.000-07:002008-08-11T16:40:00.000-07:00Thank you, Grapevine, for your concern. But I stil...Thank you, Grapevine, for your concern. But I still don't know much more about the specifics that would answer my question. I've known Dan since 1978 personally, have accompanied he and the SLJ's since. I don't think he requires protection from healthy dialogue about the most serious actions and feelings we humans can express, namely worship. I can understand your interest in protecting the viability of your vested interests in him and elsewhere.<BR/>Now, can he be quoted and those comments deliberated or not? Thanks.Mr. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09649237173680633611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-49735905629869169132008-08-11T11:24:00.000-07:002008-08-11T11:24:00.000-07:00It is simply a means to try to discourage people f...It is simply a means to try to discourage people from taking articles without permission. I have no problem with articles being quoted, but when full articles are lifted and then comments are inserted (especially comments which I consider to be hurtful to the person whom the article is about), I have a problem with that. I feel a certain responsibility towards the person in the article to protect them, if I can, from that sort of thing.GrapeVinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06452329497739508541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-31066640497147147592008-08-11T11:18:00.000-07:002008-08-11T11:18:00.000-07:00Dear Chironomo, Grapevine and Friends,Could someon...Dear Chironomo, Grapevine and Friends,<BR/>Could someone explain to me, like I was a three year old, how the copyright rule applies in the blogosphere when one is repeating quoted remarks within a copyrighted article?Mr. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09649237173680633611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-49259311710829124262008-07-10T10:12:00.000-07:002008-07-10T10:12:00.000-07:00Dad...Glad you got to comment before I had to take...Dad...<BR/><BR/>Glad you got to comment before I had to take the posting down... and thank you for your comments as well... you may notice that I did cite exactly what you were thinking, "Liturgy and Church Music".Chironomohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024533507945352862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-73749870578201822942008-07-10T09:58:00.000-07:002008-07-10T09:58:00.000-07:00I fail to understand why music in the Catholic Chu...<I>I fail to understand why music in the Catholic Church must have such a narrow definition. Our own God is infinite and yet you are saying there is no room for other forms of expression beyond chant and scholas</I><BR/><BR/>Let us make distinctions.<BR/><BR/>Music for the Mass has been defined, countless times, as that which 1) glorifies God and 2) lifts the minds and the hearts of the faithful to God. It must be beautiful, universal, and holy.<BR/><BR/>That simply eliminates rock music, as well as any OTHER music which does not elevate the MIND to God.<BR/><BR/>You seem to agree with that.<BR/><BR/>As to "rock" music in general--Chironomo is absolutely correct, and he could have cited Cdl. Jos. Ratzinger if he wanted to. Not only is rock wrong for Mass--it is also the antithesis of Christianity. Bottom line is that rock's back-beat motivates only that which lies under the beltline.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you understand that.<BR/><BR/>As to your more general line--that 'an Infinite God' can be worshipped with a variety of styles...<BR/><BR/>Maybe--except that very same Infinite God appointed Peter to regulate such things.<BR/><BR/>Sacred time, sacred space, sacred language, sacred music. All of a piece.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174113522737244771.post-13221378067735832332008-07-10T07:49:00.000-07:002008-07-10T07:49:00.000-07:00I fail to understand why music in the Catholic Chu...I fail to understand why music in the Catholic Church must have such a narrow definition. Our own God is infinite and yet you are saying there is no room for other forms of expression beyond chant and scholas. If you attend liturgies in other places such as South America or Africa, you would find a completely different form of expression. Nowhere does it say that artists must be so constricted in their creativity to worship a God that is far bigger than anyone can imagine.<BR/><BR/>I personally love chant. I've been a member of choirs over the years. I know that the Vatican prefers chant most especially for the liturgy. But we aren't at liturgy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We are out in the world most of the time and it's hard sometimes to stay connected to our God with all the distractions the world provides. Popular forms of music are a wonderful way to stay connected to our faith and even feed it and share it with others. It's something you can take with you in your car, your mp3 player, or it can just play in your head. I could go on and on how much my faith life has been fed by contemporary music with lyrics about the Catholic faith.<BR/><BR/>I have to say that I personally know the writer of the article you printed on your blog. He works tirelessly and donates so much time to this effort of promoting Catholic music. He has a very large family and a responsible job at a university and yet finds the time to work with Critical Mass, and work with people such as those involved with the Eucharistic Congress. Critical Mass is an excellent band and has inspired many young people to worship our Lord. It is too bad that the committee could not work a little harder to find a place to them to play at the Congress.<BR/><BR/>You mention why Critical Mass didn't suggest themselves directly as band to perform. If you are offering to help someone promote an event, don't you think it's a little crass to promote your own band in the process? It was obvious that Critical Mass was a viable choice and the committee was well aware of their work. I think the committee could have done better by them.<BR/><BR/>Also, please note that this story was reprinted on your blog without our permission. There is a copyright at the bottom of this and all stories that requires that you email the editor for permission to post a story before doing so:<BR/><BR/>© Copyright 2008 GrapeVine. Permission to copy or reprint this story must be obtained by writing to susan@gvonline.net. Used by permission.<BR/><BR/>Since the story was already here, I figured I might as well comment on it.GrapeVinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06452329497739508541noreply@blogger.com